M-346FT升級版亮相 爭取我空軍高教機採購

ppp7798

照美國人的說法....只要是美製武器要發射開火...要經過他同意...我看還是自製戰機+自製飛彈不用受制於人...我們發射雄三...也不用經過他同意...哈哈哈

K988

個人是比較偏向漢翔自製.就像T-100對F-35可以無縫接軌的意識.反正我們20年內應該只有換裝F-16V.IDF升級或繼續用所以用漢翔自製的教練機就夠用了
自製也比較省錢不用怕買不到零件及後續維修等問題也讓國內人才不易流失

101101

將M-346升級為M-346FT戰鬥教練機
主要因針對美空軍T-X高教機市場
升級為戰鬥教練機才有跟T-50一搏的機會

ka01

老話一句.自己設計自己製造飛機以後要升級要魔改.隨我們劍一.劍二.萬劍...等等自製武器要上也不用看別人臉色.買了義大利如跟法國一樣.一開始為了訂單什麼都好商量.幾年後軟體更新零附件備貨更替.到時又要被扒一層皮.幻象.拉法葉的教訓還不夠嗎?

Dick88

之前美國防衛新聞 就說的很清楚就算選擇 AT5藍鵲還是要靠美商支援

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2016/06/16/taiwan-weighs-vendor-options-new-fighter-trainer-plane/85982948/

TAIPEI - Taiwan’s defense minister intends to continue newly elected President Tsai Ing-wen’s pledge to develop indigenous weapon systems and wean Taiwan off its dependency on US-made arms.

Newly appointed minister Feng Shih-kuan and other ministry officials emphasized that policy once again during the minister's Dragon Boat Festival banquet on June 13.

Of particular interest to Feng is the local production of a new fighter-trainer to replace the aging AT-3 Tzu Chung attack/trainer, produced by the state-owned Aerospace Industrial Development Corporation (AIDC) in the 1980s. Feng served as AIDC chairman from 2006-2008, and his expertise in industrial defense manufacturing was a key factor in his appointment as the new defense minister.

The replacement for the AT-3 has been dubbed the XAT-5 advanced jet trainer, nicknamed the "Blue Magpie." The air force has a requirement for 66 aircraft for two training bases: one in Taitung to replace the aging F-5E/F Tigers and the other in Kangshan to replace the AT-3s. The XAT-5 is a derivative of the AIDC-produced Indigenous Defense Fighter (IDF) built during the 1990s.

According to an internal defense industry briefing, produced by AIDC consultants and obtained by Defense News, the budget for the XAT-5 is $2.3 billion, minus research and development roughly estimated at $300 million. The first prototype is scheduled for 2019 with a final operational clearance (FOC) in 2024. “That is earlier than the US Air Force’s TX program, which has an IOC [Initial Operation Clearance] of 2024 and an FOC of 2034,” the briefing states.

US defense-industry teams, including Boeing/Saab and Raytheon/Alenia, still have an opportunity to participate in the bidding for the XAT-5 program if they can meet the requirements. The Raytheon/Alenia T-100/M-346 attack trainer program’s performance and schedule does meet Taiwan’s requirements, but “costs are an uncertainty,” the briefing states. The Boeing/Saab design is still classified, but if the vendors can “finish all document preparation by the end of 2016,” then they should send a team to Taipei no later than August to meet with air force officials, legislators and AIDC officials, the document adds.

At present, the XAT-5 program is broken down into indigenous and external participation. The goal is to have the entire airframe made domestically, 50/50 percent foreign and indigenous participation on the engine, and 20-30 percent domestically sourced work on equipment such as avionics and radars, according to the briefing. That means that US companies have a “great opportunity” to participate in the program.

There are some critics of the government's approach. A former Taiwan Air Force flag officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, contended the XAT-5 program has flaws because it is based on the Indigenous Defense Fighter's 1990s technology, it lacks a radar or afterburner, and AIDC's engine-production capability is not entirely assured.

文章最後提到，由於台灣自製教練機需要航電設備與雷達、發動機的支援，因此即使台灣選擇自製教練機AT-5的方案，美國軍事公司仍絕對有很大的機會參與或是協力這項計畫。 也就是 漢翔藍鵲 重要技術還是離不開美商，軟體後續升級武器整合不是台灣一家漢翔或中科院說的算要付顧問費的

kds129

Dick88 發表於 2016-7-16 00:59  
之前美國防衛新聞 就說的很清楚就算選擇 AT5藍鵲還是要靠美商支援

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defe ...

US defense-industry teams, including Boeing/Saab and Raytheon/Alenia, still have an opportunity to participate in the bidding for the XAT-5 program if they can meet the requirements.
這段話是說如果這些廠商能滿足中華民國軍方開出的條件的話,那麼美國軍事承包商也是仍有機會餐與此計畫

最後一段也根本沒說離不開美商,最後一段根本是我國人自己講的,也就是反對國機國造那派的反對理由

漢翔根本沒說需要美方,別誤導其他人了

oneeast00

講什麼都沒用 ,

高教機案已經沒有討論的價值 ,

這種裝備 , 賣家太多 , 又涉及到本土航太 /軍購  ,

在交機前 , 只會不斷有一堆又一堆 學者/專家 跳出來

無論是哪種方案 , 都一定會被 學者/專家 質疑

最後決策的恐只有 總統 一人.....

各位看看戲就好

Dick88

kds129 發表於 2016-7-16 01:54  
US defense-industry teams, including Boeing/Saab and Raytheon/Alenia, still have an opportunity to ...

At present, the XAT-5 program is broken down into indigenous and external participation. The goal is to have the entire airframe made domestically, 50/50 percent foreign and indigenous participation on the engine, and 20-30 percent domestically sourced work on equipment such as avionics and radars, according to the briefing. That means that US companies have a “great opportunity” to participate in the program.

There are some critics of the government's approach. A former Taiwan Air Force flag officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, contended the XAT-5 program has flaws because it is based on the Indigenous Defense Fighter's 1990s technology, it lacks a radar or afterburner, and AIDC's engine-production capability is not entirely assured.

後面這兩段話就是印證前面那一段台灣的需求 . XAT-5被分成兩部份本國廠商跟外國廠商參與

機體國內做 百分之50/50發動機設備本國/外國 . 航空電子設備和雷達參與，20％-30％ 能在本國採購 其他都是靠外商

一位前中華民國空軍將軍 批評XAT-5計劃有缺陷，因為它是基於 idf 20世紀90年代的技術 拿掉一個雷達跟後燃器，以及沒有漢翔的發動機生產能力完全保證


沒在誤導 難道新聞說的不是事實? IDF 當初也是這樣，看文不要看一半

藍鵲就是組裝工作量比其它機種更多在我國裝配而已，性能裡面最差.無法支援下一代戰機訓練

原型機還要再花80億才能生出來試用花費最多

kds129

Dick88 發表於 2016-7-16 17:13  
At present, the XAT-5 program is broken down into indigenous and external participation. The goal  ...

那這樣我更質疑阿
XAT-5又沒有雷達哪來的雷達參與?
然後我跟漢翔的聊過,引擎跟機體國內的參與趴數根本也不止50趴
那我不懂為何等級低的藍鵲高教機經然是出一半的趴數給外商
這道理在哪你能解釋嗎?

Dick88

kds129 發表於 2016-7-16 22:58  
那這樣我更質疑阿
XAT-5又沒有雷達哪來的雷達參與?
然後我跟漢翔的聊過,引擎跟機體國內的參與趴數根本也 ...

2016-03-26

http://udn.com/news/story/1/1589280-%E8%BB%8D%E4%B8%8D%E6%84%9B%E6%BC%A2%E7%BF%94%E9%AB%98%E6%95%99%E6%A9%9F%EF%BC%9F%E5%BB%96%E6%A6%AE%E9%91%AB%E7%88%AD%E3%80%8C%E7%9C%9F%E5%9C%8B%E6%A9%9F%E5%9C%8B%E9%80%A0%E3%80%8D

廖榮鑫指出，漢翔原有好幾個高教機設計選項，在廣泛蒐集空軍飛行員提供的意見後發現，空軍相當肯定IDF戰機品質、安全性與穩定性，因此高教機方案已聚焦在修改IDF成為高教機的選項上，簡稱IDF高教機。雜誌指出，漢翔內部也將此案稱為降階版IDF。

而雜誌披露，漢翔公司對IDF高教機構想，會針對高教機需求對IDF雙座戰機作局部修改，主要系統裝備不變，但改用適合高教機的座艙與任務電腦，拆除戰機雷達、機砲與尾管等設備，全機大幅採用複合材料以減輕重量，主起落架位置作外擴修改，並調降飛機進場與落地速度，提供學員較高操作安全性。

IDF將是一款非武裝專業高教機，具備超音速飛行性能，最佳訓練空層在1萬5000到2萬5000呎間。漢翔自認對IDF高教機價格競爭力很有自信，因這型高教機與現役IDF戰機零附件共通至少一半，且配備的F-124發動機自製率達50%，與潛在競爭對手T-50、M346相比有價格優勢。


有看清楚嗎? 防衛新聞評估說機體在國內造 ， "發動機" 印證廖榮鑫董事長所說自製率達50%