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作者: jxv 時間: 2013-4-16 09:09:40 標題: 漢光29號

本帖最後由 jxv 於 2013-4-16 09:15 編輯

漢光淡水反突擊
漢光實兵演練15日展開，負責淡水河防守衛任務的陸軍機步營結合操演想定，實施反突擊、反滲透演練，殲敵於水際灘頭，確保台北都會區安全。
漢光29號演習實兵演練於15日至19日採計畫統裁方式，以攻擊軍模擬共軍對台作戰行動，誘導防衛軍依固安作戰計畫，採「實兵、局部實彈」方式，實施連續5天，晝夜24小時的攻、防對抗演練。
陸軍298旅今天在淡水地區擔任假想敵突擊登陸，陸軍機步營事先於灘岸設置獨角砦、鋼刺蝟、雷區、蛇腹型鐵絲網等多重阻絕設施，有效阻敵進犯。

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作者: jxv 時間: 2013-4-16 09:21:07

核生化防護救護演練

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作者: 金色年代 時間: 2013-4-16 09:55:29

ja7611 發表於 2013-4-16 09:35
啊~怎麼都沒有女軍官，女士官，女戰士?

以上你說的這些都在幫高級軍官泡茶服務或是..........................

作者: miaowei1219 時間: 2013-4-16 11:15:29

又是一次大作秀步兵一坨一坨的跑剛好給老共一鍋端...

作者: miku8749 時間: 2013-4-16 14:56:58

唉!又有人在酸了...

雖然說每次都會有的現象...但是真的很不舒服...
回主題
我超期待十七日的實彈演習
尤其是雷霆2000的

作者: Gamblers10 時間: 2013-4-16 18:17:22

ja7611 發表於 2013-4-16 09:35
啊~怎麼都沒有女軍官，女士官，女戰士?

沒差~

多看幾眼男的會變女的

女的會變男的

很多正咩看久了真的會覺得很像男生........XD

作者: smile4612 時間: 2013-4-16 21:57:49

去年關渡在反登陸,陸客在後面遊覽!!!
還真是不看都不行

作者: jxv 時間: 2013-4-17 13:02:13

本帖最後由 jxv 於 2013-4-17 13:09 編輯

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作者: jxv 時間: 2013-4-17 14:28:07

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作者: jxv 時間: 2013-4-17 17:57:38

漢光29號新聞影片
[youtube]-2JiQvzlrkI[/youtube]

作者: jxv 時間: 2013-4-17 18:02:57

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作者: kds129 時間: 2013-4-17 18:15:17

jxv 發表於 2013-4-17 14:28

拿標槍打登陸戰好像沒看過有人這樣幹
國軍現在是任何武器都要打海上就對了@@

作者: Gamblers10 時間: 2013-4-17 18:35:40

2000射擊的畫面真是好看

對於研發下款應該助力不少...........

作者: 大老千 時間: 2013-4-17 19:00:26

本帖最後由大老千於 2013-4-18 09:36 編輯

雖然演習靶船全遭命中，不過美中不足，海軍司令部下午發布新聞稿表示，成功級艦鄭和軍艦與錦江級艦高江、昌江軍艦上午在澎湖虎井水道實施「反登陸作戰實彈操演76mm砲實彈射擊」課目，其中高江軍艦76砲裝備在射擊前臨時故障，雖依程序緊急排除故障，恢復正常，因已超過射擊安全方位，未能實施射擊。
針對鄭和軍艦疑似卡彈，海軍司令部解釋，鄭和軍艦76mm砲設計有安全裝置，會隨著船艦擺盪與轉向而停止，這次演習最後仍依計畫在時限內完成射擊，裝備沒問題。

看來國軍八字還真是不好.老是留個尾巴.2艦一起故障的機率是?

作者: k20011220 時間: 2013-4-17 19:33:02

下次演習請不要一排戰車在海邊一字排開射擊...
真實戰場上是不可能的 .........

作者: kds129 時間: 2013-4-17 20:53:25

本帖最後由 kds129 於 2013-4-17 22:22 編輯

故障排除就好了阿
媒體大幅報導甚麼勁? 機械運轉本來就會故障
試射飛彈都命中怎麼不報?這比故障機率還低耶

標槍試射~
真的很準~~~以前就聽說了只是沒圖沒真像現在連片都有了
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201143950907721&set=vb.1438124297&type=2&theater

作者: jxv 時間: 2013-4-18 09:11:30

本帖最後由 jxv 於 2013-4-18 09:13 編輯

李玉慧下士

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作者: 大老千 時間: 2013-4-18 10:03:15

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?fea ... d&v=gy_Dh9EHpP8

漢光演習屏東登場模擬共軍攻台過程

作者: kds129 時間: 2013-4-18 10:46:40

大老千發表於 2013-4-18 10:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gy_Dh9EHpP8

漢光演習屏東登場模擬共軍攻台過 ...

這個影片就具有參考價值
像有篇英國模擬登陸作戰的實在就很誇張(沒批評發圖者的意思~就內容討論~~)
漏洞百出~

作者: jxv 時間: 2013-4-18 14:47:12

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屏東登陸演習

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作者: ake183 時間: 2013-4-18 15:36:47

聽說這次的雷霆2000，打的很不錯說．．．．很優。

作者: lkkder 時間: 2013-4-18 16:15:50

海總該辦告別式了~演習視同作戰~兩艦艇早已有官兵傷亡~

作者: kds129 時間: 2013-4-18 16:52:49

號稱台灣最有可能被敵軍登陸的加祿堂海岸其實也不是這麼好登陸
地形也是頗崎嶇的...

作者: ilun216 時間: 2013-4-18 23:01:15

這些影像好像是來自國防部發言人臉書喔。

作者: mac2009 時間: 2013-4-19 02:10:17

kds129 發表於 2013-4-18 10:46
這個影片就具有參考價值
像有篇英國模擬登陸作戰的實在就很誇張(沒批評發圖者的意思~就內容討論~~)
漏洞 ...

海陸的兩棲登陸演習是參照USMC的...

作者: 080609449s 時間: 2013-4-19 02:30:52

對網上的酸友和唯恐不亂的媒體們
試問世上訓練最精良的老美或以色列
在演訓或實戰中
各式武器是否都百分百
別雞蛋裡挑骨頭了
當然過程中有些瑕疵值得討論
但得以正常標準來討論
仙人打鼓也有時錯不是嗎

作者: kds129 時間: 2013-4-19 02:51:28

本帖最後由 kds129 於 2013-4-19 03:10 編輯

mac2009 發表於 2013-4-19 02:10
海陸的兩棲登陸演習是參照USMC的...

應該說經驗來說~是的沒錯!
可是裝被選項跟美國海陸有不小差異
我做個比較
美國:以強大戰場感知能力+優越的空權(包含快速運輸,戰場空優阻絕,前近火力支援)來達成登陸目的
   美國在2戰時的登陸戰也是以絕對空優先行
   2戰後美國也是以此方針這樣搞
   到了現在美國的登陸戰也是以兩棲突擊艦(看個人喜好翻譯)裝F-35+MV-22先行打擊
   爾後兩棲登陸艦再將重武器跟單兵運送上岸
   所以在舟波行動時就美軍觀念來說不需要中大以上的口徑火力支援,因為應該給F-35擔任主角了
   但全世界也只有美國有錢敢且能這樣玩效果好不好?不曉得~
   美軍在仁川登陸後沒有再大規模正式的打過登陸戰
   因為對手海防幾乎都等于0.........

國軍:環境比較特殊海峽上空防空密度很高,雙方理論上只要戰機升空都有能力掌握,尤其越過中線時雙方都可以將敵機擊落
   在這環境下雙方基本上不會出海當靶子
   所以國軍登陸戰想定不是由戰機為主要火力對象(雖然多少還是有做,但實際情形上應該不敢)
   這情況下登陸就得靠你登陸艦火力支援跟登陸車自己行進間火力發揚了
   直射武器不成問題但曲射武器放眼國際上沒幾家做
   偏偏曲射武器有其存在價值可以打擊防禦工事後的敵軍
   有可能取代LVTH-6的美軍未來兩棲登陸載具又夭折
   所以海陸很堅持105MM的LVTH-6繼續服役

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作者: jxv 時間: 2013-4-19 08:22:17

新竹反空降

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作者: jxv 時間: 2013-4-19 08:24:33

同心25號

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作者: jxv 時間: 2013-4-19 08:25:47

本帖最後由 jxv 於 2013-4-19 08:31 編輯

陸軍機步部隊的雲豹甲車，十八日在「聯勇102-3號」

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作者: jxv 時間: 2013-4-19 08:27:45

臺北港反擊作戰

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作者: jxv 時間: 2013-4-19 08:30:42

屏東加祿堂聯興操演

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作者: 機機戰士 時間: 2013-4-19 10:05:05

整軍備戰為下一場衝突做準備

作者: kds129 時間: 2013-4-19 12:39:33

喔喔喔!!!
雲豹拖出來操演了~

作者: 藍爵 時間: 2013-4-21 23:03:01

這次看雷霆兩千發射的狀況
載具似乎沒問題
之前由韓國廠商得標的疑慮
似乎沒問題了
還是
有說不得的祕密？！！

作者: kds129 時間: 2013-4-22 01:18:44

藍爵發表於 2013-4-21 23:03
這次看雷霆兩千發射的狀況
載具似乎沒問題
之前由韓國廠商得標的疑慮

他原則上還是商規車硬改軍規
所以在選料跟某些防護甚至是安全係數上難免不夠周延或又是要硬改
LT-2000是用MAN TAG 8X8改的

所以他車窗防尾燄/爆風/破片的設施是額外裝的
而且窗戶越大表示防護系數也越低感覺可以做更好....

車燈也還是原廠LOOK~防不防撞很明顯! 這都是小瑕疵但可已精進

這張就很明顯~管線暴露嚴重在戰場上生存性就比較差

原本國軍屬意的M-977安排就很合理不過他太貴了當年評估時是當年那台原型車2.5倍的價格

這也真的沒辦法.....最佳第2選項賓士底盤他的負重轉盤德國政府又不准出口
只好這樣做
當然也不是沒優點啦 MAN的這款車雖然比較重但相對的射擊穩度高
而且難能可貴的是它油耗比M-977還優

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作者: jxv 時間: 2013-4-26 16:16:41

雷霆2000慢動作影片
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作者: luckboy0803 時間: 2013-4-26 22:25:40

不知道過期幾年的濾毒罐.....
唉...

作者: 日行者 時間: 2013-4-27 00:38:56

國軍笑話
到底懂不懂
當過兵嗎
台玩軍隊只會演戲能打仗嗎

作者: a22115636 時間: 2013-4-27 01:57:51

實彈演習出狀況在所難免;絕不可能沒有狀況發生. 如果報說;完美無缺!全軍百發百中都沒故障發生....這就是真完了!.
現今服役時間可說非常短暫,一年不到.部隊無論是個人從小口徑兵器手槍起至火砲... 都需要靠平時課程訓練累積.這也是對所屬武器熟悉運作的要件.
就以三年兵役期來說;算是剛好..各科專職訓也都有四週以上時間.改為兩年役期後,就顯得有銜接不足現象,以前野戰部隊,每週也都有排兵器實彈射擊.
年度中至少也有排戰鬥'營測驗,不同大小單位對抗.三軍等..這些都有實施課目前的,所有兵器實彈射擊預習運動..對兵器熟練度及效率都算高.
如今的演訓;尤其是實彈演訓,遽個人所知.平常幾乎是"無"!..除非是特定單位,但這比例也是極少部份.  而也都是演習發佈後,大都是用極短時日練習.
這對於軍人來說;實彈射擊原本就有一定的潛在危險.故障排除或性能諸元不熟練,都會增加對操作員的生命危害.    我國軍現階段制度的大改革,已讓軍隊內部無法及時趕上變遷.
這或許也是目前很多人,對國軍負面觀感因素之一.. 衷心期盼能讓目前,已如此短役期軍人,有更充足及精實的訓練.才有達到縮短役期;精實戰力的目的.

作者: 快樂小說族 時間: 2013-4-27 07:30:41

漢光汗光把汗流光，把錢用光，把問題發光，把士氣玩光，把敵人嚇光，把反對堵光!!

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