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標題: 美國防務新聞: 洛馬.雷神團隊來華助生產8艘柴油潛艦 [列印本頁]

作者: Dick88 時間: 2015-8-10 10:30:21 標題: 美國防務新聞: 洛馬.雷神團隊來華助生產8艘柴油潛艦

本帖最後由寒冰神話於 2015-8-10 11:04 編輯

中文內容轉自大陸地區正確性請自行斟酌
(已將陸區矮化我國之用詞與軍事方面陸區之用詞修正)

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據美國《防務新聞》網站8日報道，兩年一屆的台北國際航空航天和國防工業展覽會(TADTE)將於8月13日至16日舉行，這是中華民國唯一軍民用航太產品及軍備展覽上，將展出大量中華民國自主研發的武器。航空展媒體代表阿爾文·胡表示，參展商的數量將比前一屆增加27%

中華民國國防部表示將有自己的獨立展區。據相關人士透露，國防部下屬的中科院至少將帶來30項產品，主要包括被稱為航艦殺手的雄風-3超音速反艦飛彈、天弓-3防空反飛彈系統、天劍-2中距空對空飛彈及其衍生型海劍-2中程艦對空飛彈等。其中小型裝備是用實品展示，大型設備和武器則以模型方式展示。

在台北航空展上，盡管外國參展商及國際業務顯著下降，像民國102年台北航空展上來了美國波音、雷神和西科斯基公司，但今年只有洛克希德·馬丁公司來捧場，但外商壟斷中華民國重大軍購訂單的局面沒有改變。

《防務新聞》透露，美國有望在今年第四季度通過對外軍售模式(FMS)對華銷售8-10架MH-60R海鷹反潛直升機，以取代中華民國國軍老舊的MD500直升機。

另外，洛·馬和雷神公司最近向中華民國派出技術團隊，研究中華民國國軍現役兩艘荷蘭造旗魚級柴電潛艇的升級方案，兩家公司也準備協助中華民國自建4-8艘潛艇。中華民國國軍未來還會陸續接收多項美軍二手武器，除了尚在移交中的P-3C反潛巡邏機，以及正執行接艦手續的二手佩里級巡防艦，未來還將購買大量翻新的M1A1主力戰車。

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TAIPEI — A 27 percent increase in the number of exhibitors is expected at this year's biennial Taipei Aerospace and Defense Technology Exhibition (TADTE), although the foreign presence will decline, said Alvin Hu, a TADTE media representative.

In total, there will be 126 exhibitors and 694 booths, with foreign representatives from Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Sweden, United Kingdom and the United States at the Aug. 13-16 exhibition.

"This is the only exhibition in R.O.C that integrates civilian and military aerospace equipment and components, as well as national defense weaponry and related equipment in one show," Hu said.

Unmanned vehicles will be in the spotlight this year. For the first time, TADTE will have an Unmanned Area with 12 exhibitors (in comparison to only four in 2013). New product launches will include DWTEK's Investigator 90/Remotely Operated Underwater Robot; Geosat Aerospace Technology's High Accuracy UAV Orthophoto Systems; and Carbon Based Technology's Unmanned Aerial Mapping Systems.

There will be two unmanned vehicle conferences at the show: the Unmanned Aircraft Technology Development and the Latest Application Conference, and Application for UAS and FAA Regulations Conference.

R.O.C.'s Ministry of National Defense (MND) will have its own pavilion and MND's Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology is expected to showcase its Hsiung Feng 3 (Brave Wind) anti-ship cruise missile (dubbed the carrier killer), Tien Kung 3 (Sky Bow) air defense missile system and Tien Chien (Sky Sword) air-to-air defense missile system for the Air Force's Indigenous Defense Fighter aircraft.

There is also growth in other areas of the exhibition. The Chinese Association for General Aviation Development Area has jumped from zero to 14 exhibitors, and the Precision Machine Tool Area from zero to seven. The R.O.C. Aerospace Industry Association Area has risen from three to 11.

However, there is a decline in foreign exhibitors. The international presence has dropped from 14 to nine since 2013. This year, TADTE lost Boeing, Raytheon and Sikorsky, with only one top-tier company exhibiting — Lockheed Martin.

Despite the lack of a strong US defense industry presence this year, US companies play a major role in R.O.C.'s defense modernization efforts. Lockheed is upgrading R.O.C.'s F-16 fighter fleet aircraft; recent helicopter sales include 30 Boeing AH-64 Apache attack helicopters ($2.53 billion) and 60 Sikorsky UH-60M Black Hawk utility helicopters ($3.1 billion) for the Army Aviation Command; Raytheon is delivering new Patriot PAC-3 and upgrading PAC-2 air defense missiles systems; Northrop Grumman will be providing the active electronically scanned array (the SABR) radars for the F-16 upgrade; and Raytheon continues to offer technical support for R.O.C.'s early warning radar program.

An announcement by the US is expected in the fourth quarter for the sale of eight to 10 MH-60R Seahawk anti-submarine warfare helicopters via the US Foreign Military Sales program to replace aging MD500 "Defender" helicopters.

Lockheed and Raytheon recently sent technical teams to inspect R.O.C.'s Dutch-built diesel attack submarines for a possible upgrade contract. Both companies are also interested in supplying products for R.O.C.'s planned Indigenous Defense Submarine build of four-to-eight diesel attack submarines, said a R.O.C. defense analyst.

The Army has been stung by an MND decision to table its request for refurbished US-built M-1 Abrams tanks. The Army has requested refurbished M-1s for a decade now, according to a US defense industry source. Issues regarding weight and budget issues are described as the main hurdles.

The Army did attempt to reduce criticism of the purchase by changing its selection from the 68-ton M1A2 to the 60-ton M1A1 variant, and with a proposal to replace the turbine engines with diesels to save on fuel and reduce weight. Still, MND decided to forgo the procurement for the time being.

A common criticism of the tank purchase is related to R.O.C.'s geography, which consists of a mountainous interior and a low, wetland coastline, and many of R.O.C.'s bridges are incapable of handling the weight. R.O.C.'s current tanks are a mix of 50- to 52-ton M-48s and M-60s.

The lack of US exhibitors also reflects continued budget cuts by the US defense industry, according to another US defense industry source. Most deals are done through the Pentagon's Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program office and many of the companies try to keep a low profile in R.O.C. due to objections by China, he said.

Companies like Boeing and Sikorsky participate in commercial manufacturing programs and direct commercial sales with China. This is why there are few direct military sales to R.O.C. and almost everything is done via FMS, he said.
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評語:
看來國造柴油潛艦有著落了美國軍工龍頭出手幫忙整合生產!
原文有提到: 陸軍原想採購68噸重的 M1A2 改為十年翻新60噸 M1A1 艾布蘭戰車並用柴油取代渦輪發動機以節省燃油，降低體重的建議。不過，國防部暫時尚未決定要不要放棄採購計畫。原因是認為我國目前的戰車是50到52噸的M-48S和M-60的組合。國內多山環海地形多數橋樑無法承受重量. 這問題比較大

作者: 大寮 時間: 2015-8-10 11:12:36

還是逃不掉美國輕鬆賺顧問費沒辦法誰叫我們不能接受失敗這個東西

作者: ha5853 時間: 2015-8-10 13:06:27

至少好消息.美國願協助我國生產潛艦.

作者: @羽蘭德@ 時間: 2015-8-10 16:00:18

前面的P3C和派里級都算好消息，潛艦只是參考用途想建造日子還長得很，M1A1要移除渦輪機？開玩笑地吧...那這樣整台戰車的機動力和續航力會廢材到極致吧~想想CM12的悲劇，難道想害M1A1只開不到100公里就拋錨......

作者: 聖鬥士星矢 時間: 2015-8-10 16:30:36

總算是好消息，等了好幾年的案子，終於有進展（希望採購到性能優秀的潛水艇）

只是我軍戰車案部份，在下認為M1A2比較適合（引擎不夠發動）

作者: leclerc 時間: 2015-8-10 17:33:10

本帖最後由 leclerc 於 2015-8-10 17:42 編輯

@羽蘭德@ 發表於 2015-8-10 16:00
前面的P3C和派里級都算好消息，潛艦只是參考用途想建造日子還長得很，M1A1要移除渦輪機？開玩笑地吧...那這 ...

目前全世界也只有M1用燃氣渦輪
沒有燃氣渦輪機動力和續航力會廢材到極致?
除了M1以外的戰車不都是垃圾?
況且國軍有機會讓戰車一次開個100公里嗎
柴油引擎版的M1是用和豹2同樣的引擎
麻煩發言前多做點功課動點腦筋

作者: pefg5252 時間: 2015-8-10 20:02:23

M1戰車引擎老美自己有開發新型的燃氣渦輪引擎所以問題不大就怕我們後勤支持不了這個新裝備柴油機版本成本太高老美應該不會做

作者: k20011220 時間: 2015-8-11 10:41:08

翻譯有問題吧

Lockheed and Raytheon recently sent technical teams to inspect R.O.C.'s Dutch-built diesel attack submarines for a possible upgrade contract. Both companies are also interested in supplying products for R.O.C.'s planned Indigenous Defense Submarine build of four-to-eight diesel attack submarines, said a R.O.C. defense analyst

洛馬, 雷神有派技術團隊來檢驗兩艘劍龍級潛艦升級案....
兩家公司對也有興趣支援建造計劃中的 4 ~ 8 艘潛艦

作者: m.j 時間: 2015-8-11 22:34:19

潛艦只要那些腦袋秀逗的老美官員
不要扯後腿那些軍火商(海盜)個個都嘛戴著鋼盔往錢衝!!!

M1等到花兒都謝了...哈

作者: d091691217 時間: 2015-8-14 19:19:02

這消息如果是真的..的確是直得振奮的..有可能嗎??疑問中

作者: ha5853 時間: 2015-8-15 00:04:02

本帖最後由寒冰神話於 2015-8-16 11:57 編輯

大寮發表於 2015-8-10 11:12
還是逃不掉美國輕鬆賺顧問費沒辦法誰叫我們不能接受失敗這個東西

20年以後.時代又變.對國家不利.國家如何自處.還是國造比較好....

作者: xhiou 時間: 2015-8-16 08:35:11

本帖最後由 xhiou 於 2015-8-16 08:38 編輯

leclerc 發表於 2015-8-10 17:33
目前全世界也只有M1用燃氣渦輪
沒有燃氣渦輪機動力和續航力會廢材到極致?
除了M1以外的戰車不都是垃圾?

沒有燃氣渦輪機動力和續航力會廢材到極致?

說的太好了!
燃氣渦輪機動力飛天鑽地嗎?柴油引擎是廢鐵喔
知識頻道就播過2種動力系統競技過有機會自行看看吧

作者: richardkim 時間: 2015-8-16 14:46:31

xhiou 發表於 2015-8-16 08:35
沒有燃氣渦輪機動力和續航力會廢材到極致?

回應語言太過極端了吧!!
沒有人會說
" 燃氣渦輪機動力飛天鑽地,柴油引擎是廢鐵 "
所以請避免情緒過激的反應

柴油引擎的優勢
引擎製造單價便宜
燃料節省(燃燒效率高)

燃器渦輪的優勢
燃料多樣化(汽油、天然氣、丙烷、柴油、煤油,甚至是生質酒精,生質柴油.....)
瞬間大功率輸出(短時間內達到最大扭力與最大馬力)

同樣最大輸出1500匹馬力的引擎
(稍懂一般民用房車就知道,引擎功率最大輸出是有一定條件,就是引擎轉速在某轉速範圍時)
燃氣渦輪引擎的優勢
就是能快速反應輸出最大功率(最大馬力與最大扭力)
克服惡劣地形環境
能提高操控靈活性與MBT的戰場生存率(避免受困較差的行進地表)
缺點就是燃料燃燒轉換率與消耗比柴油引擎差(簡單說就是耗油)

不過高強度的實戰時
戰場生存率當然是比耗油還要重要
MBT評價除了火力與防禦裝甲為重要考量因素
瞬間加速的爆發力(最大馬力與扭力的極致操控)
能讓MBT具較高的機動迴避敵方集中的突擊與攻擊
也是不可缺少的考量要素
畢竟MBT就是活動碉堡
攻防都需注重
所以美國才會持續使用
燃氣渦輪引擎的MBT(M1,M1A1,M1A2以及M1A2衍生強化戰具模組配置,都是屬於M1家族)
而不順應目前主流的柴油引擎
改進的是火力(口徑與倍徑)
與火控系統
和裝甲強度

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